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New PC advice please
#1
Hi all.

With Uncle Kevs moolah, I am looking to get a new PC (this one wont open MS Word...). Below is what I am looking at. Please give me some advice on whether you think they are alright (and if all the parts would all work together). In both builds the case, keyboard, mouse and speakers are fairly generic.

PC 1. INTEL

MOBO: Intel S775 Gigabyte GA-EP43-UD3L
CHIP: Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 (2.80GHz/45nm/1066FSB/3MB) LGA775
RAM: Desktop DDR2 Ram 2GB Kit (2x1024MB) PC8500 1066MHz Kingston HyperX KHX8500D2K2/2GN 5-5-5-15
VID CARD: PCI-e (nV) 9500GT 1GB Sparkle SF-PX95GT1024U2-HP (550/800MHz)
HDD: 3.5" HDD SATA-300 500GB 16MB Seagate (7200rpm)
DVD: 5.25" SATA DVD Buner/Rw Samsung SH-S223-BL 22x Black (oem)
MONITOR: WideScreen LCD Monitor 19" ASUS VH192D (5ms)
PSU: Power Supply 650W Coolermaster eXtreme Plus RS-650-PCARE3-AU (with SATA Cable)

PC 2. AMD

MOBO: AMD AM2 S940 Gigabyte GA-MA770-DS3P
CHIP: AMD AM2 Athlon 64x2 Dual Core 6000+ (3.0GHz/2MB/89w)
RAM: Desktop DDR2 Ram 2GB Kit (2x1024MB) PC8500 1066MHz Kingston HyperX KHX8500D2K2/2GN 5-5-5-15
VID CARD: PCI-e (nV) 9500GT 1GB Sparkle SF-PX95GT1024U2-HP (550/800MHz)
HDD: 3.5" HDD SATA-300 500GB 16MB Seagate (7200rpm)
DVD: 5.25" SATA DVD Buner/Rw Samsung SH-S223-BL 22x Black (oem)
PSU: Power Supply 650W Coolermaster eXtreme Plus RS-650-PCARE3-AU (with SATA Cable)

MONITOR: WideScreen LCD Monitor 19" ASUS VH192D (5ms)
According to itestate.com.au the prices for the above would be PC 1: $1054 and PC 2: $952

Thanks in advance.
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#2
Both have 1 weakness, 9500gt 1gb is sensless to buy, its weak card and you will not see 1gb power with 19" monitor, also u dont need 650W power supplier 400w would do the job,on the other hand u could use that in future
Intel Dual Core E5200 @ 3,5ghz /gigabyte GF9500GT/2 GB RAM / ASRock P45XE/ Corsair CMPSU-400CXEU
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#3
for the intel configuration i suggest not to buy a m/b with s775 socket.it's dead and no new cpus will come in the future.

for the amd config if you choose an am2+ m/b you will be able to upgrade to an am3 cpu without having to change m/b
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(10-05-2009, 12:50 PM)DarkDante Wrote: for the intel configuration i suggest not to buy a m/b with s775 socket.it's dead and no new cpus will come in the future.

Are YOU going to pay for a complete I5/I7 system, for him ?
I suppose, looking at your logic, if I want a new car I should just buy a Nissan Skyline, because they're fast ?
When it comes to cost and budget, it's irrelevant what Intel are doing in the future, 775 is still a strong mature platform and plenty fast enough for most people for the next couple of years. X48 boards are now cheap, mature, and plenty of overclocking options. P45 boards are even cheaper, and don't have the fsb limitations of P43 boards, while still strong boards.


(10-05-2009, 12:50 PM)DarkDante Wrote: for the amd config if you choose an am2+ m/b you will be able to upgrade to an am3 cpu without having to change m/b

Earlier on you were telling him that 775 is dead, now you're telling him to buy AM2+ boards Blink AM3 boards are the future for AMD, they're now affordable, support newer tech including DDR3 and all AMD's newest CPUs.

Personally, for AMD, I would go for something like the Asus Evo 790x boards, or Gigabyte's 790XT boards + XII 250 3Ghz CPU, 4Gb DDR3 RAM, nvidia 9800GT, or ATi 4850 512Mb.

For Intel, E7400/E7500, Akasa 965, 4Gb DDR2 RAM, Asus P5Q SE+ P45 or MSI X48i Platinum or Asus P5E3 Pro X48, nvidia 9800GT or ATi 4850.

Either way, both will cost you far less than any I5/I7 setup, and with some overclocking, should last you until I5/I7 becomes mainstream.
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#5
Fully agree with DKtronics, maybe for amd i would choose athlon II x4 620 nice cheap quad, depends on budget.
Intel Dual Core E5200 @ 3,5ghz /gigabyte GF9500GT/2 GB RAM / ASRock P45XE/ Corsair CMPSU-400CXEU
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(10-05-2009, 01:57 PM)DKTronics Wrote: Are YOU going to pay for a complete I5/I7 system, for him ?
I suppose, looking at your logic, if I want a new car I should just buy a Nissan Skyline, because they're fast ?
When it comes to cost and budget, it's irrelevant what Intel are doing in the future, 775 is still a strong mature platform and plenty fast enough for most people for the next couple of years. X48 boards are now cheap, mature, and plenty of overclocking options. P45 boards are even cheaper, and don't have the fsb limitations of P43 boards, while still strong boards.


Earlier on you were telling him that 775 is dead, now you're telling him to buy AM2+ boards Blink AM3 boards are the future for AMD, they're now affordable, support newer tech including DDR3 and all AMD's newest CPUs.

ok man.just relax.i didn't say that if he buys a s775 system that it won't work or so.i am working on a s775 pc anyway.but i have to inform you that with 800 euros you can buy a good core i5 pc.

as for the amd config as you can see with an am2+ m/b you can upgrade to an am3 cpu.i just suggest the am2+ m/b because the system will come cheaper this way and he will be able to upgrade his cpu.

if he buys a s775 m/b with a core 2 quad q9400 for example he won't be able to upgrade to an i5/i7

also don't forget that core's i5 socket s1156 is also used by some new core i7 cpus.so then by buying a core i5 m/b he will be able to upgrade to an i7 cpu.
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(10-05-2009, 04:04 PM)DarkDante Wrote:
(10-05-2009, 01:57 PM)DKTronics Wrote: Are YOU going to pay for a complete I5/I7 system, for him ?
I suppose, looking at your logic, if I want a new car I should just buy a Nissan Skyline, because they're fast ?
When it comes to cost and budget, it's irrelevant what Intel are doing in the future, 775 is still a strong mature platform and plenty fast enough for most people for the next couple of years. X48 boards are now cheap, mature, and plenty of overclocking options. P45 boards are even cheaper, and don't have the fsb limitations of P43 boards, while still strong boards.


Earlier on you were telling him that 775 is dead, now you're telling him to buy AM2+ boards Blink AM3 boards are the future for AMD, they're now affordable, support newer tech including DDR3 and all AMD's newest CPUs.

ok man.just relax.i didn't say that if he buys a s775 system that it won't work or so.i am working on a s775 pc anyway.but i have to inform you that with 800 euros you can buy a good core i5 pc.

as for the amd config as you can see with an am2+ m/b you can upgrade to an am3 cpu.i just suggest the am2+ m/b because the system will come cheaper this way and he will be able to upgrade his cpu.

if he buys a s775 m/b with a core 2 quad q9400 for example he won't be able to upgrade to an i5/i7

also don't forget that core's i5 socket s1156 is also used by some new core i7 cpus.so then by buying a core i5 m/b he will be able to upgrade to an i7 cpu.

I'm perfectly relaxed, I have no idea where you get this from. Tongue
Secondly, where do you get the assumption that every s775 buyer/owner has/wants to upgrade to I5/I7 ?
A Q9400, would last anyone a couple of years, and after that the I5/I7 will be mainstream enough to be affordable, perhaps even the same prices we pay now for a 775 PC.

Lastly, how do you or anyone know if Intel will go one way or the other when it comes to socket 1156, or 1366 ? They may drop one of these sockets in the future, nobody really knows, but if they do then you'll be pretty-much screwed either way. This is why I like to sit back and wait for tech to mature, rather than jumping straight in with two feet and maybe regretting it later on.
And as for AM2+, well remember 939 and how quickly AMD pulled dual-core away from that platform making a 939 dual-core CPU rarer than a quality No1 chart song. Then with AM2 boards not supporting Phenoms, despite AMD saying ALL boards would, so users had to rely on board manufacturers to provide BIOS updates. I know quite a few Abit users who got screwed over, although mostly Abit going under, but it should never have come to that.
I wouldn't put it past AMD to make DDR3 a requirement, in the future. Laugh
Intel E7500 @ 4.00ghz 400 fsb / Asus P5QL Pro / 4Gb Kingston RAM / PNY nvidia 9800GT 512Mb / Creative X-Fi Music 24 / Vista 64 SP2/
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#8
Don't go with a plain Intel made board. Get something like an XFX or MSI board. They tend to have nice extra features. I recommend either the XFX 680i or 780i, whichever ends up being more affordable for you.

Also, as others have said, definitely do NOT go for anything less than a 9600GT for your graphics card. The 9500 and lower is garbage.
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(10-05-2009, 06:34 PM)DKTronics Wrote: I'm perfectly relaxed, I have no idea where you get this from. Tongue

oops you are right.i translated directly from greek and i made this mistake. Tongue

well to sum up and stop this kind of off-topic discussion i suggest a core i5 system just because it has better upgradability(if such word exists).despite this, as you say a s775 will also work great and i agree with you.
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#10
Yes, lets stay on-topic, for a change Laugh

So, where did we get to.

High-end, if-you-can-afford-it PC,
Intel I5, decent LGA1156 board, 4Gb DDR3 RAM, nvidia GTX 285 or ATi 4890.

Mid-Range, more affordable PC,
Intel E7400/E7500, Asus/Gigabyte/DFi P45 or X48 motherboard. nvidia 9800GT/GTX/260 or ATi 4850, 4Gb DDR2 RAM.

AMD Phenon II X2 550 BE, AM3 board, 4Gb DDR2 RAM, nvidia 9800GT/GTX/260 or ATi 4850/4870 - If you can afford it, change a X2 to a X4 Phenom II.

Lower-end PC,
Intel E5200, Asus/Gigabyte/DFi/MSI P45 Motherboard, nvidia 9600GT/9800GT or ATi 4770/4850.

Most, if not all would need to be overclocked if you want the best you can get in PS2 emulation, but (with the exception of the E5200) should run most games at stock.
Intel E7500 @ 4.00ghz 400 fsb / Asus P5QL Pro / 4Gb Kingston RAM / PNY nvidia 9800GT 512Mb / Creative X-Fi Music 24 / Vista 64 SP2/
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