Poll: What would you choose after reading the review
Nvidia GTX 465
Ati HD 5850
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Nvidia GTX 465 is out, check the review
#1
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gt...i-review/1

and the first brand to make a custom card out of the gtx 465: http://www.guru3d.com/news/palit-geforce...o-output-/
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#2
looks like they priced this right down to compete with the 5850 but the 5850 still comes out on top in practically every benchmark. However got to consider bang for buck its cheaper than the 5850 and not far behind at all.

Guru3D mentions it competing with the 5830, the 5830 isn't as good as the 465 but nearly 100 bucks cheaper so comes down to what person wants.

Overall not bad from Nvidia in the low-mid range DX11 market, the 480 and 470 was a poor card launch.
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#3
lol its not low-mid range. its mid-high range exactly like the 5830. also probably it will be faster in pcsx2 than a 5850 or maybe even a 5870.

the "competition" is: 480 vs 5870, 470 vs 5850, 465 vs 5830.
dont get confused because of the price or because the nvidia ones are faster than the ati ones. nvidia was always faster and better but always for higher prices. dont forget also that the nvidia one are somewhat more expensive cause of the more features they have (like physx) and cause of better raw performance.
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#4
physx shows some performance increase in games that support it(support for physx is extremely low and now looking dead tech) CUDA etc in my opinion useless in games thats for 3D Developers.

If doing 3D and stuff and you want to do gaming then yes Nvidia is your one and only viable option due to the all in one package. the extra features don't benefit gamers. Before yes Nvidia walked all over ATI the performance increases were worth the extra bucks. I was pretty much Nvidia only until the 5000 series came out, even the 4000 series was questionable in terms of price vs performance ATI really did an impressive job.

in UK the 480 costs near enough £500 where as the 5870 costs £350. Now you got to look at the fps the 480 is yes the fastest card by minimal fps increases over the 5870 so is that £150 worth it? no.

the 470 and 5850 is pretty much neck and neck but again the price difference pretty much says you are going to get the 5850.

the 465 vs 5830 now this is where Nvidia is going to be the choice of card due to the good performance increase over it.

Dont bring CUDA and Physx into the equation useless technology in games, CUDA doesn't do anything for gaming at the moment and physx is dying its just being advertised by Nvidia to try get more sales.

Even if game developers decide to make use of CUDA and even if they do, the next series of gfx cards will come out and the 480 will be weak.
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#5
probably in the price you never thought of the drivers each one of those 2 offer. i have an ati and i was never happy with the drivers. they have generations to add something good or even release stable drivers, something that nvidia always does. also you didnt probably look at the sli vs crossfire results in the review. in most games or vantage the 2 465 are faster even than 2 5850 and that shows how poor technology and drivers the ati has. the same with many titles that has problems with the ati cards from time to time. at least i never had an issue the 1.5 year i had a gts 8600 256mb and even for the card being very slow i was able to see a difference from time to time with driver updates in performance. if you look in the http://forums.pcsx2.net/Thread-GPU-Bench...-for-PCSX2

it has been proven that the nvidia cards have better performance than very better ati ones and thats cause of architecture and drivers something that ati doesnt have...

well i am gonna finish it here, this thread is not an ati vs nvidia championship but a thread so people can learn about the new staff coming out (as many other of my threads in hardware section) and decide what they want to upgrade to. i just like nvidia more and its my opinion. anyone else has his own Tongue
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#6
i can not afford cards like these,i've got a 5770 and i'll always follow value for money.
anyway i vote for 5870,but it's not in the list.
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#7
yeah its not in the list cause it has nothing to do with gtx 465, if i was to add it i must add 470 and 480 also because that way only its fair
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#8
I don't see how GTX465 can be any competition to either 5830 or 5850.

In comparison with 5830 it is 5-10% faster and 15-20% more expansive.
In comparison with 5850 it is 15-20% slower and 5-10% cheaper.

You can also add power consumption and eyefinity in ATI's favour. Physx is pure marketing, CUDA is for advanced users not gamers. Nvidia have an advantage in SLI and that is undeniable truth. Even so, more then 6 months late and this is what they come up with. I would say it is bad. All the promises about their superior future products, gloating, spins turned to them like the boomerang in the shape of Fermi. ATI is in the lead now, that is for sure. Things can change in the future and I hope nvidia will make some effort so GPU prices could go down in the future.
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#9
believe it or not ati is not in the lead. not even close. nvidia still sells more cards than ati. also read my last post about drivers...
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#10
I wasn't talking about who is selling more cards. Although looking at the dx11 capable cards ATI is in the lead, big lead.

I don't know what is the problem with drivers, I never had any problems. Talk about ATI bad drivers is part of tradition now, everybody will mention it in nvidia/ATI discussion although truth is far from them being bad. It was nvidia that screw up more lately.
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