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Sony announce it will put ID tag on ps3 game disk!!!
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Sony has reportedly patented technology that will prevent the use of second hand games on consoles.

According to NeoGAF member gofreak, the patent application was filed on 9 December 2012 by Sony Computer Entertainment Japan, and will work by linking individual game discs to a user's account without requiring a network connection meaning any future attempt to use this disc on another user's console won't work.

The patent explains that games will come with contactless tags that will be read by your console in much the same way as modern bank cards. When a disc is first used, the disc ID and player ID will be stored on the tag. Every time the disc is used in future, the tag will check if the two ID’s match up and, if not, then the disc won’t work.

The document goes on to explain that such a device is part of Sony's ongoing efforts to deter second-hand games sales, and is a far simpler solution than always-on DRM or passwords.

It's worth noting that Sony has not confirmed the existence of the device, and the patent doesn't state what machine it will be used in, with later paragraphs also mentioning accessories and peripherals.

It does raise some concerns though. Firstly, the impact on game rental stores would be catastrophic as surely this means they'd no longer be able to do business? Given publishers' usual desire to keep retailers sweet by not undercutting them on prices and the like, this would be an unusual move.

There's also the issue of what happens should your console break and need replacing, or if you have more than one console. Will the games be linked to your PSN account, meaning they can still be used, or the console, meaning an entire new library of titles would need to be purchased?
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(01-06-2013, 08:23 AM)knightt Wrote: Sony has reportedly patented technology that will prevent the use of second hand games on consoles.

According to NeoGAF member gofreak, the patent application was filed on 9 December 2012 by Sony Computer Entertainment Japan, and will work by linking individual game discs to a user's account without requiring a network connection meaning any future attempt to use this disc on another user's console won't work.

The patent explains that games will come with contactless tags that will be read by your console in much the same way as modern bank cards. When a disc is first used, the disc ID and player ID will be stored on the tag. Every time the disc is used in future, the tag will check if the two ID’s match up and, if not, then the disc won’t work.

The document goes on to explain that such a device is part of Sony's ongoing efforts to deter second-hand games sales, and is a far simpler solution than always-on DRM or passwords.

It's worth noting that Sony has not confirmed the existence of the device, and the patent doesn't state what machine it will be used in, with later paragraphs also mentioning accessories and peripherals.

It does raise some concerns though. Firstly, the impact on game rental stores would be catastrophic as surely this means they'd no longer be able to do business? Given publishers' usual desire to keep retailers sweet by not undercutting them on prices and the like, this would be an unusual move.

There's also the issue of what happens should your console break and need replacing, or if you have more than one console. Will the games be linked to your PSN account, meaning they can still be used, or the console, meaning an entire new library of titles would need to be purchased?

Welcome to the future.

Have a tried to say many times that Sony is the TCG official tester?

Be prepared for this to come to PC eventually, starting by the most waited Haswell when vPRO will not be optional anymore.
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It'll get cracked for piracy I imagine, but the second hand market will be screwed, which is their main intention, shame really, but that's capitalism for you!
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(01-06-2013, 12:14 PM)refraction Wrote: It'll get cracked for piracy I imagine, but the second hand market will be screwed, which is their main intention, shame really, but that's capitalism for you!

It will be cracked while your PC is still able to get into, will be a lot harder if the PC itself is such hardware "wired".

Well, if piracy were the only thing to worry about that kind of control and power being put in the hands of corporations (or governments) I'd have nothing against it.
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#5
Not so tinfoil hatty in the end, huh? This is the sad future.
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It's just another one of those silly rumors... I remember the exact same rumor about the PS3, and iirc it also stemmed from a patent application. The fact of the matter is this will not happen as long as Sony has competition. It's common sense really.

No one would buy the PS4 if it couldn't play used games while the competing consoles can. Sony and MS would have to collude, which is illegal, and in any case the more restrictions they place on the consoles the quicker they'll be hacked.
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This is certainly worth noting, since Sony have shown their willingness to toy with horribly designed DRM in the past. Autobooting rootkits on their music CDs, anyone? The content management system for the Vita? Or the well designed but sneaky audio signature system built into the PS3 firmware which prevents movies pirated from a cinema from playing correctly on the PS3?
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However, as I've pointed out to people before, these patents don't mean all that much. Microsoft has a patent for a system designed to prevent movies playing if too many people are in the room. Think about that for a moment. Fortunately, nothing came of it.
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The Gamestops around me and even the Play-N-Trades make most of their money from used games. Now throw in half.com/ebay. Imagine what would happen if that source of revenue dried up due to inability to sell used console games.
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how they gonna tag the disc with the console's id? the disc drives can't burn. blutooth chips in the disc? lame patent. even i could come up with that. Laugh
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tbh i thought the original design was that each disc had a unique id which got linked with your PSN account, if anybody else tried to run that game it would fail.
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