Laptop component's with the same name and designation will always be slower than their PC counterparts because they are designed with energy efficiency and lower temperatures in mind. Every component of a laptop is designed this way (except for a few desktop replacement systems which are just tiny mobo's shoved into a tiny case with a flat screen soldered onto it).

Energy efficiency and lower temperatures come at a cost not only of speed... but of higher cost to own. I know for a fact that you could build a laptop faster than my PC... but I also know for all the components it would cost you $1000+... where as my system grand total cost me less than $200. Less when you consider I actually recycled many parts from my older PC... something you can't usually do with laptops.

sentinel: So when answering you specifically, no they are not the same. Mobile variants usually have less cache and are just generally slower than their desktop counterparts. That's not to say they are 50% slower, but I'd say at least a good 10-20% depending on application.

(11-03-2009 02:53 AM)Koji Wrote:  Laptop component's with the same name and designation will always be slower than their PC counterparts because they are designed with energy efficiency and lower temperatures in mind. Every component of a laptop is designed this way (except for a few desktop replacement systems which are just tiny mobo's shoved into a tiny case with a flat screen soldered onto it).

I see... I never knew that. So to clear things up, yes, Koji was right. I looked it up

Check This out for comparisons. That should solve everything. If there is a better comparison, plz share.

Hi everyone, I'm new here and i'm only posting here because i've recently run into some trouble with my graphic card while using PCSX2. And I'm posting it here because i can't find a thread more appropriate, and i'm hoping it wont be to off topic.

Now I can't proof the trouble was because of PCSX2 or because of crappy (in retrospect) non-compatible videodrivers that i had also installed prior to playing Metal gear Solid 3 on the newest PCSX2 beta v1.888. But the reason i'm posting is because i'm hoping too hear from others who might have run into the same problem, and otherwise i will have at least posted a fair warning to those laptop users who still want to use PCSX2.

I used PCSX2 on a WIM2180/96630 Medion Laptop/notebook which had an Nvidia 9300m gs intergrated on it's motherboard. Now after installing Nvidia's newest drivers and the newest directx etc. I started playing MGS3 and my notebook came to an acute stop, blue screen and the windows (vista 32-bit) can't be restored message.

So there was nothing left to do but restart, only now instead of the usual 1 screen, i saw 6 screens, all neatly synchronised. All this happens even before windows has even booted up. In fact windows couldnt boot at all, because as i slowly found out through trial and error (after many reinstallations and resetting to factory defaults), all the while still having to do this on 6 miniature screens from which I could hardly read anything, my nvidia gforce drivers couldnt be restored. If i tried windows would become instantly unbootable, so the 6 screens where because some basic video drivers where still functioning and i was only still able to use those.

Long story short i instantly fried my videocard by playing MGS3. Something that happened to me a month earlier, while also using PCSX2 9.6 (no beta). But now i was playing FFX, which i was able to completely playthrough (about 100 hours) before it fried my card. But since it wasnt a fatal error, and because i was done playing FFX i put in MGS3...and this again caused the same trouble i'm currently experiencing.

A month earlier I send back my computer to the factory (my garantuee period hadn't expired yet) and i'm forced to do so again now, I'm kinda hoping they screwed up fixing my notebook the first time and that's what's causing the current trouble. But i'm pretty sure they replaced my entire motherboard a month ago, so i'm inclined to think I managed to fry two different videocards in less than a month time. The only constants where MGS3 (but FFX and come to think of it star ocean 3 also caused less severe errors), PCSX2 and newly installed nvidia drivers.

Now to finish up. I was hoping to learn if anyone here has experienced simaler problems, and if so if they know how to resolve it? I really like the concept of PCSX2 but i don't think i wanna risk wrecking my laptop again.

So please advise, and to stay on topic, I wouldn't recommend an nvidia 9300m gs (even though the graphics looked great given the right plug-in was being used).

(11-07-2009 12:56 AM)Vanitas Wrote:  So please advise, and to stay on topic, I wouldn't recommend an nvidia 9300m gs (even though the graphics looked great given the right plug-in was being used).

Thing is, what you've exposed is a deep and rather disturbing problem with your laptop, not PCSX2.

PCSX2 (or any program, really) alone is physically unable to cause any lasting damage to the hardware, but paired with faulty drivers and inadequate cooling and anything can happen. I assume in your case it's a cooling issue (as is common with many laptops) but that it allows itself to get hot enough to cause irreparable damage is disturbing.

I'd be careful whenever you run anything graphically intensive

There was a fault in the production process which caused a bad batch of laptop Nvidia graphics cards to be produced. However, it affected mostly the 8xxxM series, and happened about 2 years ago, so I don't know if it was the cause of this particular case. Don't remember the specifics, but basically a material was used which couldn't withstand constant heat cycles (ie. heating up when there is load and then cooling down when its idle) and led to significant amounts of faulty laptops which Nvidia offered to repair for free, costing them something like $1bn.

But like I said, it was a couple of years ago, so I don't think it's still a widespread problem anymore (obviously they changed said material).

I remember reading some articles regarding faulty mobile gpu chips being shipped by nVidia. Apparently, the failure rate was quite high compared to the industry standard. Maybe your laptop gpu is one of those....and you applied some considerable strain on the laptop using PCSX2, hastening the inevitable.