Slow - AM64x2 @ 2.8ghz

[KrazyTrumpeter05]

That means you have a weak card. With a decent one, resolution must not be a factor to increase/decrease fps (unless you're using a HUGE one)

4670's not a weak card in the slightest....

The 4670 is considered a budget model. It's a mid-range card. The 3870 actually has slightly better numbers.

Typically the way ATI numbers their cards, any card that is an *800 is the strongest model, *700 is the next step down, and then *600 and below are usually much weaker.

[Sythedragon]

I mean... While the 4670's not the best of cards, it's in no way weak....I mean, compared to my card it's weak.. But it's better than the 360 GPU, and I'd say 10 times better at least then the PS2, if that's not headroom then I don't know what is'?

[Bositman]

I mean... While the 4670's not the best of cards, it's in no way weak....I mean, compared to my card it's weak.. But it's better than the 360 GPU, and I'd say 10 times better at least then the PS2, if that's not headroom then I don't know what is'?

You can't and should not compare PC hardware to console hardware when it comes to emulation. The GS of the ps2 is an entirely different system and architecture and if you add the emulation overhead,your comparison is pretty useless.

[Sythedragon]

I mean... While the 4670's not the best of cards, it's in no way weak....I mean, compared to my card it's weak.. But it's better than the 360 GPU, and I'd say 10 times better at least then the PS2, if that's not headroom then I don't know what is'?

You can't and should not compare PC hardware to console hardware when it comes to emulation. The GS of the ps2 is an entirely different system and architecture and if you add the emulation overhead,your comparison is pretty useless.

Rule of thumb for emulation is that the hardware should be 10 time's the emulated hardware.

The hardware between console and PC's are similar, it's the way the coding's optimized..

[zero29]

Rule of thumb for emulation is that the hardware should be 10 time's the emulated hardware.

The hardware between console and PC's are similar, it's the way the coding's optimized..

and how do you measure this factor between console and pc? is there a universal benchmark for all types of systems/hardware/software? no, thus your argument is quite empty. really, where do you got this 10x from? and more importantly why 10x and not 5x or 20x? i hope you didn't just compare the clock speeds of ps2 and pc...

to your second point: don't let the descriptions of especially microsoft consoles fool you. just because you hear something about the cpu being an intel coppermine@733mhz or a triple-core powerpc chip it does not mean that the architectur as a whole is easily comparable with a pc, even less for sony and nintendo systems, which are even more customized, which means (even more)² work for the emulator/developer.

[rama]

Amd/Ati is currently a bad choice for pcsx2/GSdx. It doesn't matter how much "power" the vga card has compared to the ps2's gs.
All that matters right now is that some operations GSdx does are very slow on ATI hardware.
Same for the cpu really. It has 2 cores, kinda nice clockspeed and all. Still it's lacking in SSE performance, and that makes it perform very bad in pcsx2.

[Sythedragon]

Amd/Ati is currently a bad choice for pcsx2/GSdx. It doesn't matter how much "power" the vga card has compared to the ps2's gs.
All that matters right now is that some operations GSdx does are very slow on ATI hardware.
Same for the cpu really. It has 2 cores, kinda nice clockspeed and all. Still it's lacking in SSE performance, and that makes it perform very bad in pcsx2.

When will that change?

I mean, I'm able to play most games I try to be honest

[Register]

Hmm, something that opinion (very bad) all of AMD/ATI to pcsx2/gsdx like nightmare *cough* punishment. Maybe those performance equall with pentium2 for AMD X2 and pentium3 for phenom *chough* and ATI GPU like riva tnt or voodo class. Whoah so much depressed here *cough2*. Yeah whatever.

[zero29]

...
All that matters right now is that some operations GSdx does are very slow on ATI hardware.
...

could you elaborate that a bit? e.g. does it mean that the full potential of ati cards isn't used yet? or does it mean that the performance of ati cards is generally inferior to nvidia ones? does it apply to both dx9 and dx10 performance? are those operations used in every game or just for some effects?

[Bositman]

It means that some code path GSdx uses is fast on nvidia cards and slow on ati cards,so most probably a driver issue from the part of Ati. So I guess you could call it a defect preventing the ati cards to use their true potential since they perform way worse than their nvidia counterparts with relatively same specs.