Why FPS so low???

[Hiroichirou]

Might want to get a AMD athlon x2 6000 which clocks at 3.0ghz if im not mistaken and is way cheaper than a intel processor.

Intel

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/...CatId=2396

AMD

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/...CatId=2328

[DKTronics]

The 6000 X2 isn't even in the same league as the E8400, so why compare the two on price ?

Here is a better price comparison,

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/...CatId=3426

And still the 6000 X2 gets it's ass raped, especially since these E5200 chips overclock to amazing speeds. Look at mine, 1.2ghz overclock on air, with much more to give if I had a water block bolted to the thing.

[drajad]

get x2 7850 (bigger cache than 64) its cheaper than x2 6000 also OC better @stock cooling

for e5200 yeah its can get 3.7 but at what voltage & temp??? ,lMO to much overvoltage also can overkill (degrade) your mobo n cpu

[KrazyTrumpeter05]

Overvoltage is only an issue if you don't have the cooling to support it.

[DKTronics]

for e5200 yeah its can get 3.7 but at what voltage & temp??? ,lMO to much overvoltage also can overkill (degrade) your mobo n cpu

Intels have vdrop and vdroop, so they run lower than the settings in the BIOS, this gives plenty of room before you hit your thermal ceiling.
Mine's running 24/7 at 1.36v 40ºc idle, 55ºc load, with a Akasa 965 sitting on top. Heck, it only hits 65ºc after 4 hours of prime, and Intel's Burn Test, and these things are good for 85ºc before they burn out.
These 45nm chips are capable of running at a max of 1.4v with good cooling, and with a water block on the thing I could quite easily hit 4ghz.

Last year, I had a X2 5000+ running at 2.9ghz on a nforce5 motherboard. 300mhz was the best I could get from that CPU, but even then it still could only compete with this E5200 at stock. The X2 would take nearly 55 mins to encode a full DVB-T 1-hour mpeg2 file, 720x400 res. At 3.7 ghz, this E5200 does the same in about 36 mins, and takes half the time to encode to x264.
I'm not knocking the AMD chips, but at the E5200 price you get much better bang for your buck. Up the price by £30, and you get better bang with AMD with the X2 550 BE.

[Hiroichirou]

i wasn't trying to compare speeds or quality or anything i was just trying to show him processor's with stock clock speeds @ 3ghz , I don't like overclocking it shortens the life of the processor, oh and DKTronics i didn't suggest the X2 550 BE (which rocks for its price) because i don't know if his Mobo supports AM3.

[nataq01]

X2 550 BE fits into AM2+ and AM3.
also 3ghz athlon <> 3ghz phenom <> 3ghz intel ( especialy e8400 you mentioned, it overkills athlon and kills phenom )
When you overclock its actualy incresed voltage that shortens lifespan of CPU, but still the time that is lost isint big enough to matter, before the processor will die anyone would most likely buy other, faster CPU to replace the old one.
please if you arent sure what are you saying dont say it, if you will spread false information like that someone might belive you and make bad choice.

[Air]

I don't like overclocking it shortens the life of the processor

This is simply not true for Intel's Core2 or i7 lines. Intel has literally designed CPUs that are meant to be overclocked. They're basically underclocking them at stock speeds. If you buy a 2.66ghz C2D, it's basically rated to run at 3.0ghz on stock cooling with absolutely no shortening of hardware life. Put a non-stock air cooler on it and you're good to 3.2ghz with odds on your video, ram, motherboard, and PSU all failing long before your CPU does.

All I can figure is Intel's finally realized that the OC'ing crowd is a major slice of your high end markets (full-size desktop users with 600w power supplies), and that giving them the 'power' of high OCs is good for business. But at the same time they need to have a chip that can be used in the Dell consumer market (slim cases with 200w PSUs). So the chip at stock is meant for the power/heat strapped Dell, and for the rest of us we overclock to its real designed potential because we have real computers with real power supplies and real cases that have more than 6 cubic millimeters of air circulation.

Conclusion: If you're not overclocking at least 15% out of the box, you're not getting your money's worth from your Intel Core2/i7 cpu.

[rex1825]

...as Air said, CPU will last die, even oc'ed it will last longer then any other component in you PC...

Cheers...

[Koji]

The concept that overclocking shortens the lifespan of your CPU is misleading... since most higher end processors are the same as the lower end processors (at least in the same core).

That said, stressing a CPU by making it run at too hot of a temperature can and will shorten the life of a processor... whether it's overclocked or not. That is why adequate cooling is necessary. To give you an idea, my parents still use an overclocked Athlon XP in my old computer that is now approaching 5 years old and it still runs fine.