Mushihimesama - missing slowdown?

[dageiver]

Hi,

Years ago I played Mushihimesama on my now long dead Japanese ps2. I picked up the emulator to play it again. It looks and sounds perfect but the speed is crazy. Almost all the programmed slow down seams to be missing? Last stage plays at full speed all the way through except for bullet cancelling moments which is kind of hilarious.

I checked on you tube to see if it was my imagination but all the arrange mode videos i watched (mode i have been playing) show slow down. It appears on bosses as well as stages. The last pattern on 4th boss normally slows down but on pscx2 it runs at full speed.

Is anyone able to help. Is there a special set up to get the slowdowns to appear or am i missing something in the game after all these years?

[ssakash]

you can limit the fps by unchecking disable framelimiting in the GS section of emulation settings.

[dageiver]

Frame rate is not the issue. I want the game to run at 60fps.

The game has in build slow down during the more hectic parts. So its an artificial slowdown (intentional by the developers) and not related to overall frame rate as far as I know.

[ssakash]

please provide a screenshot of your PCSX2 settings and Emulog. This game is known to be demanding even on the higher end processors. It's quite weird that you get speed ups on intentional slow down parts.

[dageiver]

Let me know if this is was not the log you were after. I will take pictures of settings tomorrow about to head to bed. All settings are default.

Its not that the game is speeding up or slowing down. Its hard to explain without I guess knowing the game. The game has an inbuilt speed that is completely different to fps.

On PS2 hardware this game slows down as it does on the original arcade machine. Its programmed in to the game.

This is a video of last stage mini boss (PS2 version). The first few patterns run at normal speed then you get ones where the game fluctuates in speed which is intentional.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl...-iY#t=1117

There is a lot of intentional slow down in this stage which isn't showing when I play it on psxc2. It runs 100% speed almost all the way through the game except for bullet canceling moments.

Code:

PCSX2 1.2.1.r5873 - compiled on Feb  3 2014
Savestate version: 0x9a0a0000

Host Machine Init:
    Operating System =  Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition Service Pack 1 (build 7601), 64-bit
    Physical RAM     =  8109 MB
    CPU name         =  Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500K CPU @ 3.30GHz
    Vendor/Model     =  GenuineIntel (stepping 07)
    CPU speed        =  3.308 ghz (4 logical threads)
    x86PType         =  Standard OEM
    x86Flags         =  bfebfbff 1f9ae3bf
    x86EFlags        =  28100000

x86 Features Detected:
    MMX.. SSE.. SSE2.. SSE3.. SSSE3.. SSE4.1.. SSE4.2.. AVX

(pxEvtQueue:PauseCoreThread) Posting event! (pending=0, idle=0)
(pxEvtQueue:PauseCoreThread) Executing... [Cancelable]
(pxEvtQueue:PauseCoreThread) Event completed in 0ms
Reserving memory for recompilers...
(pxEvtQueue:LoadCorePlugins) Posting event! (pending=0, idle=0)
(pxEvtQueue:LoadCorePlugins) Executing... [Cancelable]

Loading plugins...
    Binding   GS: C:\Program Files (x86)\PCSX2 1.2.1\Plugins\gsdx32-avx-r5875.dll
Windows 6.1.7601 (Service Pack 1 1.0)
    Binding  PAD: C:\Program Files (x86)\PCSX2 1.2.1\Plugins\lilypad-r5875.dll
    Binding SPU2: C:\Program Files (x86)\PCSX2 1.2.1\Plugins\spu2-x-r5875.dll
    Binding CDVD: C:\Program Files (x86)\PCSX2 1.2.1\Plugins\cdvdGigaherz.dll
    Binding  USB: C:\Program Files (x86)\PCSX2 1.2.1\Plugins\USBnull.dll
    Binding   FW: C:\Program Files (x86)\PCSX2 1.2.1\Plugins\FWnull.dll
    Binding DEV9: C:\Program Files (x86)\PCSX2 1.2.1\Plugins\DEV9null.dll
Plugins loaded successfully.

(pxEvtQueue:LoadCorePlugins) Event completed in 112ms
(GameDB) 9655 games on record (loaded in 157ms)
(pxEvtQueue:PauseCoreThread) Posting event! (pending=0, idle=0)
(pxEvtQueue:PauseCoreThread) Executing... [Cancelable]
(pxEvtQueue:SysExecute) Posting event! (pending=0, idle=0)
(pxEvtQueue:PauseCoreThread) Event completed in 0ms
(pxEvtQueue:SysExecute) Executing... [Cancelable]
HLE Notice: ELF does not have a path.


Initializing plugins...
    Init GS
Windows 6.1.7601 (Service Pack 1 1.0)
    Init PAD
    Init SPU2
    Init CDVD
    Init USB
    Init FW
    Init DEV9
Plugins initialized successfully.

(pxEvtQueue:SysExecute) Event completed in 323ms
Opening plugins...
    Opening GS
    Opening PAD
    Opening SPU2
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti   (9.18.13.5012)
* SPU2-X: Enumerating PortAudio devices:
*** Device 0: 'Primary Sound Driver' (Windows DirectSound)
*** Device 1: 'Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)' (Windows DirectSound)
*** Device 2: 'Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)' (Windows WASAPI)
*** Device 3: 'Speakers (Realtek HD Audio output)' (Windows WDM-KS)
*** Device 4: 'SPDIF Out (Realtek HDA SPDIF Optical Out)' (Windows WDM-KS)
*** Device 5: 'SPDIF Out (Realtek HDA SPDIF Out)' (Windows WDM-KS)
    Opening CDVD
isoFile open ok: D:\Backup\Games\Mushihimesama\Mushihime-sama.iso
    Image type  = DVD
* CDVD Disk Open: DVD, Single layer or unknown:
* * Track 1: Data (Mode 1) (627632 sectors)
    Opening USB
    Opening FW
    Opening DEV9
McdSlot 0: C:\Users\Psidum\Documents\PCSX2\memcards\Mcd001.ps2
McdSlot 1: C:\Users\Psidum\Documents\PCSX2\memcards\Mcd002.ps2
Plugins opened successfully.
EE/iR5900-32 Recompiler Reset
    Bios Found: Japan   v01.00(17/01/2000)  Console
    BIOS rom1 module not found, skipping...
    BIOS rom2 module not found, skipping...
    BIOS erom module not found, skipping...
(UpdateVSyncRate) Mode Changed to NTSC.
(UpdateVSyncRate) FPS Limit Changed : 59.94 fps
(SYSTEM.CNF) Detected PS2 Disc = cdrom0:\SLPM_660.56;1
(SYSTEM.CNF) Software version = 1.01
(SYSTEM.CNF) Disc region type = NTSC
ELF (cdrom0:\SLPM_660.56;1) Game CRC = 0xF0C24BB1, EntryPoint = 0x00100008
(SYSTEM.CNF) Detected PS2 Disc = cdrom0:\SLPM_660.56;1
(SYSTEM.CNF) Software version = 1.01
(SYSTEM.CNF) Disc region type = NTSC
(pxEvtQueue:VoidMethod) Posting event! (pending=0, idle=0)
(pxEvtQueue:VoidMethod) Executing... [Noncancelable]
Closing plugins...
    Closing DEV9
    Closing FW
    Closing USB
    Closing CDVD
    Closing SPU2
    Closing PAD
    Closing GS
Plugins closed successfully.
(pxEvtQueue:VoidMethod) Event completed in 21ms

[ssakash]

do you have another PS2 ? since, your current BIOS version is known to have some problems on pcsx2.

[Ryudo]

I think the 'slowdowns' are just lag from the PS2/arcade limitations.

Grandia 2 had the same issue when you got into towns where you would experience slowdowns like that. Notice how in that video it only happens when there's crapton of bullets on screen. Also only when enemies blow up (so basically extra animations taking place)

PCSX2 makes Grandia 2 run at full speed in town without slowdowns. It's basically the same for this game.


Could be wrong though, maybe it is intentional in this game. I never really paid much attention to it.

[dogen]

I think the 'slowdowns' are just lag from the PS2/arcade limitations.

Grandia 2 had the same issue when you got into towns where you would experience slowdowns like that. Notice how in that video it only happens when there's crapton of bullets on screen. Also only when enemies blow up (so basically extra animations taking place)

PCSX2 makes Grandia 2 run at full speed in town without slowdowns. It's basically the same for this game.


Could be wrong though, maybe it is intentional in this game. I never really paid much attention to it.

Yeah, it's definitely intentional. The 360 version is the same. You can tell by watching that video. Some of those patterns would be impossible to get through at full speed.

This is a pretty interesting bug, though.

[willkuer]

Typical timing issue or? I don't know what it does but one can check the manual gamefix 'ee timing hack '...

If you want to make it slow down you can press <tab> as well and press it again if you want to have normal speed. It will half the fps by default.

[dageiver]

All good. Was just curious if it was a known issue and there was a solution. I recommended this game to a friend, both of us in to these types of games. He was complaining about the difficulty. When I saw him playing I laughed.

I recorded a play though on arrange, very much winging it with a bit of muscle memory going on. It has all stages and bosses and some of the extra boss unique to this and ultra mode. You cannot continue in this mode so I did not get the final pattern but the rest is there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmV58xi5KTg

Looking at it all the bullet canceling slow down seams to be in place but the general slow down is very muted. If you put the last stage in my video against the video i linked earlier you will see I have reached and killed mid boss well before the game on real hardware. It is always hard to say with these games. Will leave it with you guys.

I tried the ee timing hack and a different bios. No change that I noticed.

If it does turn out to be a bug and you fix it make sure to leave a way to play it like this. It is super fun.